[Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy

[Brent Huisman]

Hello Sonja, others,

I took the liberty to add a section on the bottom here:
http://wiki.opengatecollaboration.org/index.php/Users_Guide_V7.2:Setting_up_the_physics

I look forward to your additions! Also, at Creatis we sometimes speak about
the HADRONTHERAPY lists, they sound like we should use them for
hadrontherapy dose simulations. If there would a bit more documentation on
them, and perhaps an update to the Geant4 recommendations list, we would
have the excuse we need.

Cheers,
Brent


Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:53:10 +0200
> From: "Schellhammer, Sonja" <s.schellhammer at hzdr.de>
> To: gate-users at lists.opengatecollaboration.org
> Cc: aswin.hoffmann at hzdr.de, susanna at uow.edu.au
> Subject: Re: [Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy
> Message-ID: <web-14104443 at cg1.fz-rossendorf.de>
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> Dear Brent, Loic, everyone,
>
> thanks for your answers! Yes, we're talking about physics lists for dose
> in proton therapy. If I remember correctly, Susanna
> Guatelli is responsible for HADRONTHERAPY_1 and HADRONTHERAPY_2, so I put
> you in cc, Susanna.
>
> I think coming up with a wiki-page about "who uses which physicslists and
> why", as Brent suggested, is a great idea, as there
> seems to be no easy consensus.
> What would be the next steps to do this?
>
> Cheers,
> Sonja
>
>
> Am Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:00:01 +0200 schrieb gate-users-request at lists.
> opengatecollaboration.org:
> > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:32:28 +0200
> >From: Brent Huisman <brent.huisman at insa-lyon.fr>
> > To: loic.grevillot at medaustron.at
> > Cc: gate-users at lists.opengatecollaboration.org
> > Subject: Re: [Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Hello Loic, Sonja,
> >
> > I assume you are speaking about physicslists for dose?
> >
> > The Geant4 collaboration at this time recommends something else, and here
> > at Creatis most use QGSP_BIC_HP as far as I know. See:
> > http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/support/proc_mod_catalog/physics_lists/
> useCases.shtml
> >
> > In addition, in Geant4 10 two new physicslists were introduced,
> > HADRONTHERAPY_1 and HADRONTHERAPY_2, the first of which is basically
> > QGSP_BIC_HP. I do not know who's actually tuning these lists though. See:
> > http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/support/ReleaseNotes4.10.1.html
> >
> > Loic, I've never heard of QBBC, why do you recommend it?
> >
> > Physicslist tuning is indeed a bit opaque: not easy to know who
> optimizing
> > which lists for what. I would be very happy if we could spend a wiki-page
> > on it, even if it's just a list of who uses which physicslist and why.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Brent
> >
> >
> > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:13:12 +0000
> >> From: Grevillot Loic <loic.grevillot at medaustron.at>
> >> To: "Schellhammer, Sonja" <s.schellhammer at hzdr.de>,
> >>         "gate-users at lists.opengatecollaboration.org"
> >>         <gate-users at lists.opengatecollaboration.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy
> >> Message-ID:
> >>         <HE1PR04MB215675174A105E19BDB9FB759E1E0 at HE1PR04MB2156.eurprd
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> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> New recommendations are proposed on the Gate Website (
> >> http://www.opengatecollaboration.org/UsersGuide)
> >> Currently we are working on the validation of QBBC_EMY at MedAustron,
> so I
> >> would recommend that one. (QBBC_EMZ is very similar as well)
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Loïc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Gate-users [mailto:gate-users-bounces at lis
> >> ts.opengatecollaboration.org] On Behalf Of Schellhammer, Sonja
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:07 AM
> >> To: gate-users at lists.opengatecollaboration.org
> >> Subject: [Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy
> >>
> >> Dear colleagues,
> >>
> >> I am currently setting up a Geant4 model of our beam and choosing the
> >> physics lists.
> >> Does anyone of you have any experience (i.e. preferably has done
> >> measurements) on which of the lists are currently the most
> >> relevant/accurate ones for proton therapy? I am aware of Jarlskog 2008,
> >> Grevillot 2010 and Kurosu 2014, but looking for more recent results.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your input,
> >> Sonja Schellhammer
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sonja M. Schellhammer, MSc
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