[Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy

[Schellhammer, Sonja]

Dear Brent, Loic, everyone,

thanks for your answers! Yes, we're talking about physics lists for dose in proton therapy. If I remember correctly, Susanna 
Guatelli is responsible for HADRONTHERAPY_1 and HADRONTHERAPY_2, so I put you in cc, Susanna.

I think coming up with a wiki-page about "who uses which physicslists and why", as Brent suggested, is a great idea, as there 
seems to be no easy consensus.
What would be the next steps to do this?

Cheers,
Sonja


Am Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:00:01 +0200 schrieb gate-users-request at lists.opengatecollaboration.org:
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:32:28 +0200
>From: Brent Huisman <brent.huisman at insa-lyon.fr>
> To: loic.grevillot at medaustron.at
> Cc: gate-users at lists.opengatecollaboration.org
> Subject: Re: [Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy
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> Hello Loic, Sonja,
> 
> I assume you are speaking about physicslists for dose?
> 
> The Geant4 collaboration at this time recommends something else, and here
> at Creatis most use QGSP_BIC_HP as far as I know. See:
> http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/support/proc_mod_catalog/physics_lists/useCases.shtml
> 
> In addition, in Geant4 10 two new physicslists were introduced,
> HADRONTHERAPY_1 and HADRONTHERAPY_2, the first of which is basically
> QGSP_BIC_HP. I do not know who's actually tuning these lists though. See:
> http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/support/ReleaseNotes4.10.1.html
> 
> Loic, I've never heard of QBBC, why do you recommend it?
> 
> Physicslist tuning is indeed a bit opaque: not easy to know who optimizing
> which lists for what. I would be very happy if we could spend a wiki-page
> on it, even if it's just a list of who uses which physicslist and why.
> 
> Cheers,
> Brent
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:13:12 +0000
>> From: Grevillot Loic <loic.grevillot at medaustron.at>
>> To: "Schellhammer, Sonja" <s.schellhammer at hzdr.de>,
>>         "gate-users at lists.opengatecollaboration.org"
>>         <gate-users at lists.opengatecollaboration.org>
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>> Hello,
>>
>> New recommendations are proposed on the Gate Website (
>> http://www.opengatecollaboration.org/UsersGuide)
>> Currently we are working on the validation of QBBC_EMY at MedAustron, so I
>> would recommend that one. (QBBC_EMZ is very similar as well)
>>
>> Best,
>> Loïc
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gate-users [mailto:gate-users-bounces at lis
>> ts.opengatecollaboration.org] On Behalf Of Schellhammer, Sonja
>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:07 AM
>> To: gate-users at lists.opengatecollaboration.org
>> Subject: [Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I am currently setting up a Geant4 model of our beam and choosing the
>> physics lists.
>> Does anyone of you have any experience (i.e. preferably has done
>> measurements) on which of the lists are currently the most
>> relevant/accurate ones for proton therapy? I am aware of Jarlskog 2008,
>> Grevillot 2010 and Kurosu 2014, but looking for more recent results.
>>
>> Thanks for your input,
>> Sonja Schellhammer
>>
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