<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hello Sonja, others, </div>I took the liberty to add a section on the bottom here: <a href="http://wiki.opengatecollaboration.org/index.php/Users_Guide_V7.2:Setting_up_the_physics">http://wiki.opengatecollaboration.org/index.php/Users_Guide_V7.2:Setting_up_the_physics</a> </div>I look forward to your additions! Also, at Creatis we sometimes speak about the HADRONTHERAPY lists, they sound like we should use them for hadrontherapy dose simulations. If there would a bit more documentation on them, and perhaps an update to the Geant4 recommendations list, we would have the excuse we need. </div>Cheers, </div>Brent <div><div><div><div><div> <div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:53:10 +0200 From: "Schellhammer, Sonja" <<a href="mailto:s.schellhammer@hzdr.de">s.schellhammer@hzdr.de</a>> To: <a href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a> Cc: <a href="mailto:aswin.hoffmann@hzdr.de">aswin.hoffmann@hzdr.de</a>, <a href="mailto:susanna@uow.edu.au">susanna@uow.edu.au</a> Subject: Re: [Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:web-14104443@cg1.fz-rossendorf.de">web-14104443@cg1.fz-rossendorf.de</a>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8; format="flowed" Dear Brent, Loic, everyone, thanks for your answers! Yes, we're talking about physics lists for dose in proton therapy. If I remember correctly, Susanna Guatelli is responsible for HADRONTHERAPY_1 and HADRONTHERAPY_2, so I put you in cc, Susanna. I think coming up with a wiki-page about "who uses which physicslists and why", as Brent suggested, is a great idea, as there seems to be no easy consensus. What would be the next steps to do this? Cheers, Sonja Am Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:00:01 +0200 schrieb <a href="mailto:gate-users-request@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">gate-users-request@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a>: > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:32:28 +0200 >From: Brent Huisman <<a href="mailto:brent.huisman@insa-lyon.fr">brent.huisman@insa-lyon.fr</a>> > To: <a href="mailto:loic.grevillot@medaustron.at">loic.grevillot@medaustron.at</a> > Cc: <a href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a> > Subject: Re: [Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy > Message-ID: > <<a href="mailto:CA%2BRDvtbaZ-YwgYeWpe7xEUfu7MWBehSBt5UY6crYHfF9G%2BSi-g@mail.gmail.com">CA+RDvtbaZ-YwgYeWpe7xEUfu7MWBehSBt5UY6crYHfF9G+Si-g@mail.gmail.com</a>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello Loic, Sonja, > > I assume you are speaking about physicslists for dose? > > The Geant4 collaboration at this time recommends something else, and here > at Creatis most use QGSP_BIC_HP as far as I know. See: > <a href="http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/support/proc_mod_catalog/physics_lists/useCases.shtml" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/support/proc_mod_catalog/physics_lists/useCases.shtml</a> > > In addition, in Geant4 10 two new physicslists were introduced, > HADRONTHERAPY_1 and HADRONTHERAPY_2, the first of which is basically > QGSP_BIC_HP. I do not know who's actually tuning these lists though. See: > <a href="http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/support/ReleaseNotes4.10.1.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/support/ReleaseNotes4.10.1.html</a> > > Loic, I've never heard of QBBC, why do you recommend it? > > Physicslist tuning is indeed a bit opaque: not easy to know who optimizing > which lists for what. I would be very happy if we could spend a wiki-page > on it, even if it's just a list of who uses which physicslist and why. > > Cheers, > Brent > > > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:13:12 +0000 >> From: Grevillot Loic <<a href="mailto:loic.grevillot@medaustron.at">loic.grevillot@medaustron.at</a>> >> To: "Schellhammer, Sonja" <<a href="mailto:s.schellhammer@hzdr.de">s.schellhammer@hzdr.de</a>>, >> "<a href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a>" >> <<a href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a>> >> Subject: Re: [Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy >> Message-ID: >> <HE1PR04MB215675174A105E19BDB9FB759E1E0@HE1PR04MB2156.eurprd >> <a href="http://04.prod.outlook.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">04.prod.outlook.com</a>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hello, >> >> New recommendations are proposed on the Gate Website ( >> <a href="http://www.opengatecollaboration.org/UsersGuide" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.opengatecollaboration.org/UsersGuide</a>) >> Currently we are working on the validation of QBBC_EMY at MedAustron, so I >> would recommend that one. (QBBC_EMZ is very similar as well) >> >> Best, >> Loïc >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gate-users [mailto:<a href="mailto:gate-users-bounces@lis">gate-users-bounces@lis</a> >> <a href="http://ts.opengatecollaboration.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ts.opengatecollaboration.org</a>] On Behalf Of Schellhammer, Sonja >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:07 AM >> To: <a href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a> >> Subject: [Gate-users] Physics lists for proton therapy >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I am currently setting up a Geant4 model of our beam and choosing the >> physics lists. >> Does anyone of you have any experience (i.e. preferably has done >> measurements) on which of the lists are currently the most >> relevant/accurate ones for proton therapy? I am aware of Jarlskog 2008, >> Grevillot 2010 and Kurosu 2014, but looking for more recent results. >> >> Thanks for your input, >> Sonja Schellhammer >> >> -- >> Sonja M. Schellhammer, MSc >> Institute of Radiooncology, Helmholtz-Zentrum Dresden-Rossendorf >> phone: +49 (0)351 458-7627, web: <a href="http://www.hzdr.de" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.hzdr.de</a> Händelallee 26, 01309 >> Dresden, Germany Board of Directors: Prof. Dr. Dr. h. c. Roland Sauerbrey, >> Prof. Dr. Dr. h. c. 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