[Gate-users] Difference between simulated and experimental LOR in inveon

Santos, Roque rsantost at vols.utk.edu
Mon Oct 24 17:52:03 CEST 2016

Hello JL,

I checked your mail, and I tried to include the information of the ring difference in my simulation. However, I didn't find where I should specify this value. I saw that you can choose the radial bins and ring difference if you are working with ECAT7 outputs. However, I am using text file output to analyze the results.

Hope you can help me.


Roque Santos

From: JL Herraiz <herraizjl at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 5:10:10 AM
To: Santos, Roque; gate-users at lists.opengatecollaboration.org
Cc: Ruggles, Arthur E
Subject: Re: [Gate-users] Difference between simulated and experimental LOR in inveon

Hi, Roque

The good news is that the difference is that large, that it should not be that difficult to find the problem  :)

I think that the maximum ring difference used in the scanner may me the reason. If you donĀ“t apply the same to your data, you may find a significant difference.

My recommendation is to use the software developed by Geron A. Bindseil, to convert the GATE simulations into list files and then analyze both files with the same software. Or you can adapt it to convert the list files from the scanner into ROOT files and then analyze both datasets with the same tools. You can find it in her PhD. thesis webpage. It contains many useful resources for your work.

I hope it helps. Good luck!

Joaquin L. Herraiz
Complutense University of Madrid
Nuclear Physics Group

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:50 PM Santos, Roque <rsantost at vols.utk.edu<mailto:rsantost at vols.utk.edu>> wrote:
Hello all.

I am validating a GATE model of Siemens Inveon. In order to do this, I am placing a 12.7 mm cube source of Na22 (7uCi at September 2016) at different position along the z axis (depth of the Bore) of the real machine. At these positions I'm taking a 10 second scan and I am using the IAW (inveon software) to create the histogram and the image of the scan. This software creates log files that have the number of singles and the number of LOR (under the name of events). I am comparing this number of events with the number of LOR generated in GATE.

For the simulation I'm using Jen Gregor's Inveon model. I changed the coincidence policy to killAll and the energy widow to 425-625 keV. The last change was done because this is the energy window that we use in our group work. The rest of the model is the same as it is distributed by Dr. Gregor. A brief description of the digitizer features: dead time: depth of response=1, crystal resolution min=0.15 crystal resolution max=0.35, Quantum Efficiency=0.85, Energy reference= 511 keV, dead time= 7000000. ps, coincidence window=3.438 ns.

I am using the standard model for the Photoelectric, Compton and Rayleigh scattering. The standard model is also used for the electron ionization and Bremsstrahlung processes. For the positron annihilation I'm using the eMultipleScattering model and the Radioactive decay is on.

I modeled the source as a point source centered in the cube, and I'm using my own positron distribution (however the results do not change too much when I used the default one).

The results that I got showed that the simulation produces more LOR than the experimental. I'm attaching pictures of this situation

The first one is the LOR and the second one is the efficiency. Both shows a difference of almost twice. The model that I'm using is a validated model. I looked for other references with the same problem, but so far I just could find one.

Does anybody have an idea of how can I get the same LOR experimental and simulated? or Why is this happening? Any idea will be explored.

Thank you very much for your help.


Roque Santos
University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Departement of Nuclear Engineering

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