<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> </head> <body> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"></style> <div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"> <p>Hello JL, </p> <p><br> </p> <p>I checked your mail, and I tried to include the information of the ring difference in my simulation. However, I didn't find where I should specify this value. I saw that you can choose the radial bins and ring difference if you are working with ECAT7 outputs. However, I am using text file output to analyze the results. </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Hope you can help me. </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Greetings, </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Roque Santos </p> <p><br> </p> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> JL Herraiz <herraizjl@gmail.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 22, 2016 5:10:10 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Santos, Roque; gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org<br> <b>Cc:</b> Ruggles, Arthur E<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gate-users] Difference between simulated and experimental LOR in inveon</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div dir="ltr">Hi, Roque <div><br> </div> <div>The good news is that the difference is that large, that it should not be that difficult to find the problem :)</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I think that the maximum ring difference used in the scanner may me the reason. If you don´t apply the same to your data, you may find a significant difference.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>My recommendation is to use the software developed by Geron A. Bindseil, to convert the GATE simulations into list files and then analyze both files with the same software. Or you can adapt it to convert the list files from the scanner into ROOT files and then analyze both datasets with the same tools. You can find it in her PhD. thesis webpage. It contains many useful resources for your work.</div> <div><a href="http://ir.lib.uwo.ca/etd/1419/ ">http://ir.lib.uwo.ca/etd/1419/ </a> <br> </div> <div> <br> </div> <div>I hope it helps. Good luck!</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Joaquin L. Herraiz</div> <div>Complutense University of Madrid</div> <div>Nuclear Physics Group</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> </div> <br> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div dir="ltr">On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:50 PM Santos, Roque <<a href="mailto:rsantost@vols.utk.edu">rsantost@vols.utk.edu</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"> <div id="m_-5037036201075875454divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"> Hello all. <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg">I am validating a GATE model of Siemens Inveon. In order to do this, I am placing a 12.7 mm cube source of Na22 (7uCi at September 2016) at different position along the z axis (depth of the Bore) of the real machine. At these positions I'm taking a 10 second scan and I am using the IAW (inveon software) to create the histogram and the image of the scan. This software creates log files that have the number of singles and the number of LOR (under the name of events). I am comparing this number of events with the number of LOR generated in GATE. </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg">For the simulation I'm using Jen Gregor's Inveon model. I changed the coincidence policy to killAll and the energy widow to 425-625 keV. The last change was done because this is the energy window that we use in our group work. The rest of the model is the same as it is distributed by Dr. Gregor. A brief description of the digitizer features: dead time: depth of response=1, crystal resolution min=0.15 crystal resolution max=0.35, Quantum Efficiency=0.85, Energy reference= 511 keV, dead time= 7000000. ps, coincidence window=3.438 ns. </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg">I am using the standard model for the Photoelectric, Compton and Rayleigh scattering. The standard model is also used for the electron ionization and Bremsstrahlung processes. For the positron annihilation I'm using the eMultipleScattering model and the Radioactive decay is on. </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg">I modeled the source as a point source centered in the cube, and I'm using my own positron distribution (however the results do not change too much when I used the default one). </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg">The results that I got showed that the simulation produces more LOR than the experimental. I'm attaching pictures of this situation </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><img size="44720" id="m_-5037036201075875454256873_rs|3" style="width:333px;height:249.53263707571801px" width="333" height="250" class="gmail_msg" src="cid:2f2de02f-72db-46ae-8002-aae003bb2e17"><img size="41478" id="m_-5037036201075875454351836_rs|3" style="width:334px;height:250.72506738544476px" width="334" height="251" class="gmail_msg" src="cid:b909bae3-f62d-41fb-adbe-b395655a0dc7"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg">The first one is the LOR and the second one is the efficiency. Both shows a difference of almost twice. The model that I'm using is a validated model. I looked for other references with the same problem, but so far I just could find one. </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg">Does anybody have an idea of how can I get the same LOR experimental and simulated? or Why is this happening? Any idea will be explored. </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg">Thank you very much for your help. </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg">Greetings, </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg">Roque Santos </div> <div class="gmail_msg">University of Tennessee, Knoxville</div> <div class="gmail_msg">Departement of Nuclear Engineering </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> <div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"> </div> </div> </div> _______________________________________________<br class="gmail_msg"> Gate-users mailing list<br class="gmail_msg"> <a href="mailto:Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"> <a href="http://lists.opengatecollaboration.org/mailman/listinfo/gate-users" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://lists.opengatecollaboration.org/mailman/listinfo/gate-users</a></blockquote> </div> </div> </body> </html>