<div dir="ltr">Hi Andreas,<div><br></div><div>I rechecked the data and yes, it is possible to calculate the uncertainty, using
EdepHisto. In each bin is necessary to multiple (E^2)*number of histories in the bin and sum all the bins:</div><div><br></div><div>SUM(E^2) = (SUM((E_i^2)*number_of_histories_i) from bin 1 to n)/Total_number_of_histories. </div><div><br></div><div>Then it is necessary to apply the equation to calculate the uncertainty, using SUM(E^2) and SUM(E):</div><div><img src="cid:ii_kz5n9ljb0" alt="image.png" width="279" height="74"><br></div><div><br></div><div>I tested both actors, as you mentioned. </div><div><br></div><div>In the 1 event check, I analyzed data of Ac-225 source with 1 event</div><div>EdepHisto gave an energy of 2.86E-5 keV, and <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">GateDoseSpectrumActor gave 0 keV (here, I think it is a matter of digits). </span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Uncertainty does not have any sense to calculate (1 history)</span></div><div><br></div><div>In a second check, I analyzed data of a Y-90 source with 1E9 events</div><div>EdepHisto and <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">GateDoseSpectrumActor, gave me the same values (Deposited Energy = 755.866, Uncertainty = 0.0156343).</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div>In conclusion, both ways work. But sincerely, EdepHisto requires more work to get the same. It would be nice to include <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">the integration of the energy spectrum and energy squared spectrum </span>into <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">ESpectrActor.</span></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Maikol</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mié, 2 feb 2022 a las 9:59, Andreas Resch (<<a href="mailto:andreas.resch@meduniwien.ac.at" target="_blank">andreas.resch@meduniwien.ac.at</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<p>Hi Maikol,</p>
<p>I just see, that the wiki for the EnergySpectrActor is not up to date (will be by next week). </p>
<p>Have you tried to use the command:</p>
<p><span>enableEdepHisto true </span></p>
<p><span>this gives you the edep per history. It should be the same as in the DoseSpectrumActor with the difference that the latter is using BeginOfEventAction to score and EdepActor uses EndofEvent. Would be interesting to check what happens if you have a single event only. I would expect that DoseSpectrumActor returns no entry, but EdepActor does. Could you check that?</span></p>
<p><span> best,</span><span></span></p>
<p><span>Andreas</span></p>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I see the practicality in the GateDoseSpectrumActor. As far as I know, no other actor calculates the energy and its uncertainty so quickly (at least for a logical volume). The <span style="font-size:13.3333px">ESpectrActor always requires some post-processing, normally it is no big deal, but it is nice to have the result without intermediate steps.</span></span></div>
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<div style="text-align:left"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On the other hand, your approach "<span style="font-size:13.3333px">square of the bin vector in a post processing step</span>" will not lead to the same result. The uncertainty calculation in one single simulation is a<span style="font-size:medium"><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></span>history-by-history method (error = sqrt( (1.0 / ( numPart - 1)) * ( avgEnergySq - pow( avgEnergyOut, 2)))), it means the energy contribution (square) is scored per history. The <span style="font-size:13.3333px">ESpectrActor does not make this distinction. It mixes all the contributions.</span></span></div>
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<div style="text-align:left"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.3333px">From my point of view, the </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">GateDoseSpectrumActor does not cause any damage. It can continue inside of GATE, but if there is a change to update it or translate its features to the </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">ESpectrActor it would be nice.</span></div>
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<div style="text-align:left"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">Best,</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">El mar, 1 feb 2022 a las 15:10, Andreas Resch (<<a href="mailto:andreas.resch@meduniwien.ac.at" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">andreas.resch@meduniwien.ac.at</a>>) escribió:</div>
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<p>Hi David, Maikol,</p>
<p>just had a brief look into the source code of DoseSpectrumActor. Looks fine at the first glance, but is obsolete as 1 of the two scoring results is also part of ESpectrActor. Would be only few lines of extra code to add the second option (square of energy deposit) to ESpectrActor. Although I wonder if it is really necessary. Shouldn't it be enough to do the square of the bin vector in a post processing step? (using a high resolution binning of course) </p>
<p>best,</p>
<p>Andreas</p>
<p id="gmail-m_-8047913121573663788gmail-m_-1147655451772002856v1gmail-m_-2943060790112167288gmail-m_4310275142251210736reply-intro">Am 2022-02-01 10:17, schrieb Maikol Salas Ramirez:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello David,
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<div>Thank you for the answer. I re-check my calculation, and I found out that the units are well (I mean the EnergySpectrumActor and GateDoseSpectrumActor agree in the deposited energy calculations). </div>
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<div>To check it, I attached both actors to the same logical volume and calculated the deposited energy for comparison. In the case of EnergySpectrumActor, I summed the energy spectrum, and for GateDoseSpectrumActor, it provides the total energy (sum) plus the uncertainty directly.</div>
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<div>The GateDoseSpectrumActor has the advantage that it provides the total deposited energy with its uncertainty. This information is impossible to obtain with the EnergySpectrumActor, because it does not give the square of the sum of the energies. </div>
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<div>I think the GateDoseSpectrumActor could be useful for the community. But, it is not documented in the <a href="http://opengate.readthedocs.io/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">opengate.readthedocs.io</a>, and the C++ classes are probably incomplete (probably the goal was the absorbed dose calculation, but its development stops with the energy calculation). At this moment, the GateDoseSpectrumActor help me resolve my task straightforwardly. I think it is better to keep it. Hopefully, it will be a chance to improve it in the future.</div>
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<div>I am finalizing some details of the simulation (blood irradiation with radionuclides); if it would interest you, I can share it for the GATE examples with some documentation.</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Maikol</div>
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<div>I don't know this actor and, looking at the history, it was started before we started the git version (2015), so the original author is lost. </div>
<div>As there is no doc and I don't really get what it means compared to the EnergySpectrumActor, I would suggest to remove it. </div>
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<div>However, if you think it could be useful for you, please let us know. The idea would be to propose some docs and use case.</div>
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<div>thanks,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 5:50 PM Maikol Salas Ramirez <<a href="mailto:mmsalas@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mmsalas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>Recently I found the .cc and .hh files of a <strong>GateDoseSpectrumActor</strong>. This actor is not mentioned in <a href="http://opengate.readthedocs.io" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">opengate.readthedocs.io</a> or any webpage.</div>
<div>I would like to ask if someone is working on it. Is it a prototype?</div>
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<div>I tested the energy calculation using the EnergySpectrumActor and the energy units differ:</div>
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<div>I simulated a Ac-225 source using the Ion source definition. I scored the deposited energy with both actors (EnergySpectrumActor and GateDoseSpectrumActor). The deposited energy differs by a factor of 1000. <strong>The only justification that I can find is that, in the GateDoseSpectrumActor, the deposited energy is expressed in keV/(1000 events) OR (eV/event) and there is a typo in the code (the units shoud be eV instead of keV):</strong></div>
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<div>/// Save data<br>void GateDoseSpectrumActor::SaveData()<br>{<br> GateVActor::SaveData();<br> std::ofstream DoseResponseFile;<br> OpenFileOutput(mSaveFilename, DoseResponseFile);<br> DoseResponseFile << "Incoming energy (<strong>keV</strong>)" << " "<br> << "Average energy deposit (<strong>keV</strong>)" << " "<br> << "Energy uncertainty (<strong>keV</strong>)" << Gateendl;<br> std::map< G4double, G4double>::iterator itermEnergy;<br> for( itermEnergy = mEnergy.begin(); itermEnergy != mEnergy.end(); itermEnergy++)<br> {<br> G4double energyIn = itermEnergy->first;<br> G4double totEnergyOut = mEnergy[energyIn];<br> G4double numPart = mNumParticPerEnergy[energyIn];<br> G4double avgEnergyOut = totEnergyOut / numPart;<br> G4double avgEnergySq = mEnergySquare[energyIn] / numPart;<br> G4double error = sqrt( (1.0 / ( numPart - 1)) * ( avgEnergySq - pow( avgEnergyOut, 2)));<br> DoseResponseFile << energyIn/<span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><strong>keV</strong> </span><< " "<br> << avgEnergyOut/<span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><strong>keV</strong> </span><< " "<br> << error/<span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><strong>keV</strong> </span> << Gateendl;<br> }</div>
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<div>Is anyone working on this?</div>
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<div>Best regards</div>
<div>Maikol</div>
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