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    <font size="-1">Dear Johannes,<br>
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      From what I know (from Geant4 developers) you can now used
      ENDF/BVII.1 data for photonuclear reaction (as with MCNP) by
      selecting ShieldingLEND physics list in GATE.<br>
      <br>
      As you said, previous version of Geant4 (< 10.04) used a
      parametrized model for photo-nuclear reactions that under-estimate
      neutrons production for many nuclei (with also a wrong threshold).<br>
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      Results are clearly better now with the LEND model (ENDF data) </font><font
      size="-1"><font size="-1">for gamma energy lower than 20 MeV.<br>
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      </font>Best regards,<br>
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      Nicolas<br>
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      PS : </font><font size="-1"><font size="-1"><font size="-1">as
          John said, the best is always to ask directly Geant4 User
          Forum for this kind of Geant4 physics questions.</font></font></font>
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Nicolas ARBOR
Maître de Conférences
Université de Strasbourg - Faculté de Physique et Ingénierie
Groupe de recherche DeSIs - Institut Pluridisciplinaire Hubert Curien
23, rue du Loess BP28 67037 Strasbourg Cedex 2
mail : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nicolas.arbor@iphc.cnrs.fr">nicolas.arbor@iphc.cnrs.fr</a> / tel : 03.88.10.64.27
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 03/02/2020 à 16:55, John Apostolakis
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      Dear Johannes,
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      <div class="">I suggest to post this and similar questions in the
        Geant4 User Forum (<a href="https://geant4-forum.web.cern.ch/"
          class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://geant4-forum.web.cern.ch/</a> )
        , instead of the GATE mailing list, for a response from more
        Geant4 users and developers.</div>
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                                          <div class="">John
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            <div class="">On 3 Feb 2020, at 16:13, von Vangerow Johannes
              <<a href="mailto:Johannes.vonVangerow@ptw.de" class=""
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                  Hi,<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                  I am just starting to perform simulations in Gate
                  including Neutrons. Concerning that, I performed a
                  simulation with 15MeV photons impinging on a thin
                  (10µm) target. The simulation in Gate / Geant4 yields
                  about a factor 3 less neutrons than a simple
                  calculation using the respective crosssection. So far
                  I tested W and Pb.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                  In a publication<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://www.epj-conferences.org/articles/epjconf/pdf/2017/22/epjconf_icrs2017_06023.pdf"
                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration:
                    underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">„Quantification
                    of the validity of simulations based on Geant4 and
                    FLUKA for photo-nuclear interactions in the high
                    energy range“</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>it
                  is stated that Geant4 underestimates the Neutron
                  production. Is this really true? I am using the
                  QGSP_BIC_HP physics list.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                  Best regards<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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href="http://lists.opengatecollaboration.org/mailman/listinfo/gate-users"
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