<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434">Dear Niels,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434">You must accept that GATE is not perfect. Usually some commands have bugs. Or maybe is better to say that they are special (because someone else has write the C++ code). I would suggest to you to recreate the example that you are based on and change your image-file format to what is used in the example.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434" dir="ltr">Moreover, the source command still uses that command interfile, which does not exists in phantom commands anymore. So, try to stay with the interfile, for the source. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434" dir="ltr">And also try to use GATE, with the things that you know they work, and then, make changes on them and check if you have better or worse results.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434" dir="ltr">To conclude with the important staff. Use .mhd as phantom format (for speed), and change it to interfile .h33 for your source format. Initialize command is correct.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434" dir="ltr">Kind regards,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17434" dir="ltr">Konstantinos</div><div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17435"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17437"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_17436"><span style="font-style:italic;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_31574">-----------------------------------------------------</span></div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-style:italic;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_28310"> Konstantinos Chatzipapas<br>    Medical Physicist, </span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-style:italic;">MSc<br></span><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_22608"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501143072854_22607"><span style="font-style:italic;">       <span style="font-weight:bold;">University of Patras</span></span></div><div><div><span style="font-style:italic;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-style:italic;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;">     </span>   web page:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.physicsmag.com/">Physics Magazine</a></span></div></div></div></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> Στις 11:08 π.μ. Πέμπτη, 27 Ιουλίου 2017, ο/η Niels van der Werf <nrvdwerf@gmail.com> έγραψε:<br></font></div>  <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv6553134543"><div>Hello,<div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">Thank you for your quick reply!</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">The value 1.781E-08 is actually from an example. In this example the interfile is used as the source (with the attached .img file). When I run the original code (so with the E-8 value) no error is presented and I get a beautiful dose distribution in my mouse.</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">The initialize command is given as shown below, where for completeness I have pasted my main.mac:</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543"><div class="yiv6553134543">/control/execute  mac/verbose.mac</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"># GEOMETRY</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543">/control/execute  mac/geometry.mac</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"># PHYSICS</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">/control/execute  mac/physic.mac</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"># DETECTORS</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">/control/execute  mac/actor.mac</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"># INITIALISATION</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">/gate/run/initialize</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"># SOURCE :</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">/control/execute    mac/source18F.mac</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#/control/execute   mac/source64Cu.mac</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#/control/execute   mac/source124I.mac</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#/control/execute   mac/source166Ho.mac</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#/control/execute<span class="yiv6553134543Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;">       </span>mac/sourceNEW.mac</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"># VISUALISATION</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543">/vis/disable</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#/control/execute  mac/visu.mac</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"># RANDOM</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543">/gate/random/setEngineName MersenneTwister</div><div class="yiv6553134543">/gate/random/setEngineSeed 765764636453</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"># START</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#=====================================================</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">/gate/application/noGlobalOutput</div><div class="yiv6553134543">#/gate/application/setTotalNumberOfPrimaries 2000000</div><div class="yiv6553134543">/gate/application/setTotalNumberOfPrimaries 20000</div><div class="yiv6553134543">/gate/application/start</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">exit</div></div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">I will now look into your proposed page of the user guide. However, I still don’t know how to go from the interfile insert (from the example) to the meta image insert. Do you have any idea how to do this?</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">Thanks again!</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543">Best,</div><div class="yiv6553134543">Niels</div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543"><div><blockquote class="yiv6553134543" type="cite"><div class="yiv6553134543">Op 27 jul. 2017, om 09:52 heeft Konstantinos P. Chatzipapas, MSc <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6553134543" ymailto="mailto:konhat88@yahoo.gr" target="_blank" href="mailto:konhat88@yahoo.gr">konhat88@yahoo.gr</a>> het volgende geschreven:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="yiv6553134543yqt1778766204" id="yiv6553134543yqt48731"><div class="yiv6553134543"><div class="yiv6553134543"><div class="yiv6553134543" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317"><span class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_8020">Hello,</span></div><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317"><span class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></span></div><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317">You have one error and I have one guess for your problem. </div><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317">The error that you have made is that GATE does not accept the value: 1.781E-08. It can only accept values in this format: 0.000001 and probably not smaller.</div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317">Moreover in the new guide that arb command is not proposed. In contrast, it has this type of commands:</div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_23119" target="_blank" href="http://wiki.opengatecollaboration.org/index.php/Users_Guide_V8.0:Source#Defining_the_type_of_source">http://wiki.opengatecollaboration.org/index.php/Users_Guide_V8.0:Source#Defining_the_type_of_source</a></div><pre class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_18011" style="font-family:monospace, Courier;background-color:rgb(249, 249, 249);border:1px solid rgb(221, 221, 221);padding:1em;line-height:1.3em;font-size:14px;"> ###################### Mode 1: Discrete Spectrum ###################
/gate/source/addsource spectrumLine gps
/gate/source/spectrumLine/gps/particle gamma
/gate/source/spectrumLine/gps/energytype UserSpectrum
/gate/source/spectrumLine/gps/setSpectrumFile ../data/DiscreteSpectrum.txt
/gate/source/spectrumLine/setIntensity 1
 #################### Mode 1: Discrete Spectrum ####################</pre><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317"><span class="yiv6553134543">etc.</span></div><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317"><span class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></span></div><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317"><span class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></span></div><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6317">About the guess, I would like to ask you, where in your code is the command:</div><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_21349">/gate/run/initialize</div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_21350"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_21351"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_21350"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_21350">Kind regards,</div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_21350">Konstantinos</div><div class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6318"> </div><div class="yiv6553134543signature" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6320"><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6319" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><span class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_7974" style="font-style:italic;">-----------------------------------------------------</span></div><span class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6359" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-style:italic;"> Konstantinos Chatzipapas<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543">    Medical Physicist, </span><span class="yiv6553134543" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-style:italic;">MSc<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></span><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6323" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6362"><span class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6361" style="font-style:italic;">       <span class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6360" style="font-weight:bold;">University of Patras</span></span></div><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6322"><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6363"><span class="yiv6553134543" style="font-style:italic;"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></span></div><div class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6321"><span class="yiv6553134543" id="yiv6553134543yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501140473134_6364" style="font-style:italic;"><span class="yiv6553134543Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;">     </span>   web page:<span class="yiv6553134543Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6553134543" target="_blank" href="http://www.physicsmag.com/">Physics Magazine</a></span></div></div></div></div> <div class="yiv6553134543qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div class="yiv6553134543" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv6553134543" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><font class="yiv6553134543" size="2" face="Arial"> Στις 10:28 π.μ. Πέμπτη, 27 Ιουλίου 2017, ο/η Niels van der Werf <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6553134543" ymailto="mailto:nrvdwerf@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:nrvdwerf@gmail.com">nrvdwerf@gmail.com</a>> έγραψε:<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></font></div>  <br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"> <div class="yiv6553134543y_msg_container"><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">Hello all,<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">A couple of days ago I asked a question about voxilized phantoms. I am now one step further in my search. The voxilized phantom is accepted by GATE as an input. However, I cannot get it working as a voxilized source. On the wiki page an example is given for an interfile, but not for a meta image.<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">My code is as follows (the main change in comparison with the wiki page is in the image declaration after /gate/source/positron/reader/insert):<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/addSource                                         positron voxel<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">#/gate/source/positron/reader/insert                             interfile<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/reader/insert                             image<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">  <br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/imageReader/translator/insert                      range <br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/imageReader/rangeTranslator/readTable          data/range_source.dat <br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/imageReader/rangeTranslator/describe           1<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"> <br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"># THE FOLLOWING LINE ALLOWS YOU TO INSERT THE IMAGE DATA USING THE APPROPRIATE EXTENSION FILE<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/imageReader/readFile                                   data/mouse_200microns_134x501x127.mhd<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/imageReader/verbose                                    1<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/setPosition                                    -13.4 -50.1 -12.7 mm <br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/gps/particle                                 e+<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/gps/angtype                                 iso<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/gps/energytype                             Arb<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">#/gate/source/positron/setIntensity                             9.673E-01<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/gps/histname                             arb<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"># Warning : probability density (or point wise) and not bin values<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/gps/histpoint  0.0001    1.781E-08<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">/gate/source/positron/gps/histpoint  0.00011    4.220E-08<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">Etc etc etc.<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">When I run this code, I get no errors, but also no sources. Can anyone see what I’m doing incorrectly?<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">Thanks for your help in advance!<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">Best,<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">Niels van der Werf<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr">Gate-users mailing list<br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6553134543" ymailto="mailto:Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div><div class="yiv6553134543" dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6553134543" target="_blank" href="http://lists.opengatecollaboration.org/mailman/listinfo/gate-users">http://lists.opengatecollaboration.org/mailman/listinfo/gate-users</a></div><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div>  </div> </div>  </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="none" class="yiv6553134543"></div></div></div><br><br></div>  </div> </div>  </div></div></body></html>