<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> </head> <body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"> Hi Simon, <div><br> </div> <div>thanks for your fast reply, this helps me already a lot. Indeed I read those parts in the wiki and had also a short look at the papers mentioned. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Especially the following questions still arise for me: </div> <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>- What are the „signals“ in primary, total, compton etc? Are these detection probabilities? Photon counts? Or total recorded Photon-Energies per pixel, or is this converted to some arbitrary ADU-values?</div> <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>- I guess this is related to the energy-response of the detector? Also here the example provides some basic responseDetector.txt, but the Syntax is not clear to me.</div> <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>- In the example Code, there is an option called „/gate/actor/ffda/energyResolvedBinSize 0 keV“, which is not mentioned in the wiki at all. If I would set this Value to 1keV, would I create a Photon counting detector with 120 energy bins? How would the Output look like? 120 images each for „compton“ and <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>"primary“? </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>I would therefore suggest to add at least the following lines to the documentation: </div> <div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <p>All contributions are summed in total which can be decomposed in primary+secondary. Secondary (same as scatter) can itself be decomposed in compton+rayleigh+fluorescence. flatfield is available to compute the measured primary signal if there is no object, this is useful for CT to apply the beer Lambert law. attenuation is ln(flatfield/primary) to get the line integral, i.e., the input of most CT reconstruction algorithms.</p> </div> </blockquote> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks, </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Lukas </div> <div><br> <div> <div apple-content-edited="true"> <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"> <div>----------------------------------------------------</div> <div>Lukas Gromann</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Lehrstuhl für Biomedizinische Physik (E17)<br> Technische Universität München<br> Boltzmannstrasse 11<br> 85748 Garching<br> <br> </div> <div><a href="mailto:Lukas.Gromann@TUM.de">Lukas.Gromann@TUM.de</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Tel.: 089-289/10905</div> <div>Mobil: 017629718306</div> </div> </div> <br> <div> <div>Am 02.09.2016 um 11:02 schrieb Simon Rit <<a href="mailto:simon.rit@creatis.insa-lyon.fr">simon.rit@creatis.insa-lyon.fr</a>>:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <p>Hi,</p> <p>I assume you've read</p> <p><a href="http://wiki.opengatecollaboration.org/index.php/Users_Guide_V7.2:Readout_parameters_for_Radiotherapy_applications:_Actors#Fixed_Forced_Detection_CT">http://wiki.opengatecollaboration.org/index.php/Users_Guide_V7.2:Readout_parameters_for_Radiotherapy_applications:_Actors#Fixed_Forced_Detection_CT</a>?</p> <p>It's scarce but there are a bunch of references we suggest to understand the technique. The numbers are the expected signal in the image. All contributions are summed in total which can be decomposed in primary+secondary. Secondary (same as scatter) can itself be decomposed in compton+rayleigh+fluorescence. flatfield is available to compute the measured primary signal if there is no object, this is useful for CT to apply the beer Lambert law. attenuation is ln(flatfield/primary) to get the line integral, i.e., the input of most CT reconstruction algorithms.</p> <p>An alternative is to do pure monte carlo, see monteCarloCT.mac in the same folder. I guess there are other options in Gate but I don't know all the CT options in Gate. Please let me know if you find some!</p> <p>Hope this helps and let us know if/how we should complete the "doc",</p> <p>Simon<br> </p> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/09/2016 09:49, Lukas Gromann wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:2F51EFFD-7854-4884-938E-85F6C34E9676@tum.de" type="cite">Dear all, <div><br> </div> <div>I am currently learning how to use Gate for my PHD project in medical x-rax imaging.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I would like to simulate the Compton scatter fraction in a simple Thorax x-ray. I started by using the example_CT/fixedForcedDetectionCT, which looks like the thing I am looking for. Unfortunately I cannot find any documentation, what is actually the content of the outputfiles created by the FixedForcedDetection actor. What does the numbers in the various images represent? What is the purpose of the flatfield file?</div> <div>Any kind of additional documentation/information would be very welcome! </div> <div><br> </div> <div>On the other hand, is there maybe a much better approach to determine Compton scatter fractions in my images than using the FFD actor? </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks for your help, </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Lukas </div> <div><br> </div> <div apple-content-edited="true"> <div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"> <div>----------------------------------------------------</div> <div>Lukas Gromann</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Lehrstuhl für Biomedizinische Physik (E17)<br> Technische Universität München<br> Boltzmannstrasse 11<br> 85748 Garching<br> <br> </div> <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Lukas.Gromann@TUM.de">Lukas.Gromann@TUM.de</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Tel.: 089-289/10905</div> <div>Mobil: 017629718306</div> </div> </div> <br> <br> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br> <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________ Gate-users mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.opengatecollaboration.org/mailman/listinfo/gate-users">http://lists.opengatecollaboration.org/mailman/listinfo/gate-users</a></pre> </blockquote> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/09/2016 09:49, Lukas Gromann wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:2F51EFFD-7854-4884-938E-85F6C34E9676@tum.de" type="cite">Dear all, <div><br> </div> <div>I am currently learning how to use Gate for my PHD project in medical x-rax imaging.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I would like to simulate the Compton scatter fraction in a simple Thorax x-ray. I started by using the example_CT/fixedForcedDetectionCT, which looks like the thing I am looking for. Unfortunately I cannot find any documentation, what is actually the content of the outputfiles created by the FixedForcedDetection actor. What does the numbers in the various images represent? What is the purpose of the flatfield file?</div> <div>Any kind of additional documentation/information would be very welcome! </div> <div><br> </div> <div>On the other hand, is there maybe a much better approach to determine Compton scatter fractions in my images than using the FFD actor? </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks for your help, </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Lukas </div> <div><br> </div> <div apple-content-edited="true"> <div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"> <div>----------------------------------------------------</div> <div>Lukas Gromann</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Lehrstuhl für Biomedizinische Physik (E17)<br> Technische Universität München<br> Boltzmannstrasse 11<br> 85748 Garching<br> <br> </div> <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Lukas.Gromann@TUM.de">Lukas.Gromann@TUM.de</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Tel.: 089-289/10905</div> <div>Mobil: 017629718306</div> </div> </div> <br> <br> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br> <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________ Gate-users mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.opengatecollaboration.org/mailman/listinfo/gate-users">http://lists.opengatecollaboration.org/mailman/listinfo/gate-users</a></pre> </blockquote> <br> </div> _______________________________________________<br> Gate-users mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">Gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a><br> http://lists.opengatecollaboration.org/mailman/listinfo/gate-users</blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </body> </html>