<div dir="ltr">Can anyone point me towards any of the reference papers that were mentioned in this thread? I think they will be useful for me in the near future when I defend my Master's thesis.<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Amy<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Grevillot Loic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:loic.grevillot@medaustron.at" target="_blank">loic.grevillot@medaustron.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Please use the list, other people may benefit of discussion and my contributions are on free time which is very limited at the moment…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 12:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Grevillot Loic<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Samstag, 11. Oktober 2014 13:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Grevillot Loic; <a href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gate-users] Can't run with 100 million particles</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 3. Oktober 2014 07:30<br>
<b>To:</b> Grevillot Loic<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gate-users] Can't run with 100 million particles</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Dear Soman,</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">We noticed a similar simulation “artifact” when a too high number of particles was used. We also noticed that the effect is dependent
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Sincerely,</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>S. Saghamanesh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2014 09:29<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org" target="_blank">
gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gate-users] Can't run with 100 million particles</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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