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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of course not!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you buy 2 times 10 apples or 1 time 20 apples you get in both cases 20 apples.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Reference to papers used for uncertainty calculations are available – please look at Gate reference papers!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Please use the list, other people may benefit of discussion and my contributions are on free time which is very limited at the moment…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#112359;mso-fareast-language:DE-AT">Loïc Grevillot</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#112359;mso-fareast-language:DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> S. Saghamanesh [mailto:s.saghamanesh@yahoo.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 12:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Grevillot Loic<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gate-users] Can't run with 100 million particles<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks for your note. However, due to the linear operation of this addition, I'll have a greater uncertainty!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">So I wanted to reduce my uncertainty by increasing my statistics (through several simulations), but ultimately I'd obtain a greater
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:41 AM, Grevillot Loic <<a href="mailto:loic.grevillot@medaustron.at">loic.grevillot@medaustron.at</a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Sincerely,</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Loïc</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> S. Saghamanesh [<a href="mailto:s.saghamanesh@yahoo.com">mailto:s.saghamanesh@yahoo.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Samstag, 11. Oktober 2014 13:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Grevillot Loic; <a href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">
gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gate-users] Can't run with 100 million particles</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Dear </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Loïc,</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">which is supposed to run 10 simulations with 10 million particles with different seeds (by </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">/gate/random/setEngineSeed
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Do you have any idea what's wrong with this command? I guess it's the only way I can proceed with 100 million primaries without getting
error.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">You said you need to run 100 million primaries and artifacts appear after 10 million.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gate-users] Can't run with 100 million particles</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks a lot for your note. I use of splitting 1000 for my emitted photons but I still have unacceptable uncertainties, so I have to
run with 100 million particles. Do you tell me if I run 10 simulations with 10 million particles, it would lessen the uncertainty? I guess it wouldn't, because I have uncertain results with a single simulation of 10 million particles.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">
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<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2014 09:29<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> [Gate-users] Can't run with 100 million particles</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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