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<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Of course not!</span></div> 
<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">If you buy 2 times 10 apples or 1 time 20 apples you get in both cases 20 apples.</span></div> 
<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Reference to papers used for uncertainty calculations are available – please look at Gate reference papers!</span></div> 
<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Please use the list, other people may benefit of discussion and my contributions are on free time which is very limited at the moment…</span></div> 
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<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;">Kind regards,</span></div> 
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<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 12:34<br clear="none">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gate-users] Can't run with 100 million particles</span></div> 
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<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Thanks for your note. However, due to the linear operation of this addition, I'll have a greater uncertainty!</span></div> 
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<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">For example, I have two simulations with uncertainties of sigma1 = 0.7 (70%) and sigma2 = 0.6 (60%). After the addition, I'll have
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<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">So I wanted to reduce my uncertainty by increasing my statistics (through several simulations), but ultimately I'd obtain a greater
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<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:41 AM, Grevillot Loic <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:loic.grevillot@medaustron.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:loic.grevillot@medaustron.at">loic.grevillot@medaustron.at</a>> wrote:</span><span style=""></span></div> 
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<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> S. Saghamanesh [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:s.saghamanesh@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:s.saghamanesh@yahoo.com">mailto:s.saghamanesh@yahoo.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Samstag, 11. Oktober 2014 13:53<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Grevillot Loic; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gate-users] Can't run with 100 million particles</span><span style=""></span></div> 
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<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I've tried to run my main macro file through the following command:</span><span style=""></span></div> 
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<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">which is supposed to run 10 simulations with 10 million particles with different seeds (by </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;">/gate/random/setEngineSeed
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<div class="yiv7102759071MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Do you have any idea what's wrong with this command? I guess it's the only way I can proceed with 100 million primaries without getting
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<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2014 09:29<br clear="none">
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<b>Subject:</b> [Gate-users] Can't run with 100 million particles</span><span style=""></span></div> 
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