<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>To remove random coincidences, you mean 
that you specify in your analysis that you take only coincidences where 
eventID1 equals eventID2 ?<br></div>The profile cannot have only one 
side, because the first tracked particle will not obviously be the first
 one to be detected, and furthermore the use of the time resolution 
module can even change the order of arrival of the two photons.<br>
</div><div><br></div>Regards,<br>Simon<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">
<div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Yohan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yhjoo@gachon.ac.kr" target="_blank">yhjoo@gachon.ac.kr</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Dear Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Thank you for your response. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul">
<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Actually the result is extracted from coincidence data. (which is not include the random coincidences)<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul">

<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">As your recommendation, if I randomize the order of the two gammas in each coincidence, then I can get a symmetric profile.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">However I just want to confirm whether my data is correct or not. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul">

<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">As your description about random coincidence, I guess the asymmetric profile may come form that if the Gate simulation record first event with the first event. <u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">In this case, the profile has to have one side. It shouldn’t have a value more than 0. <u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">However the result doesn’t show that.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul">

<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">I appreciate you that you recommend the method to make a symmetry profile. <u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">But I just wonder still. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Why..?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul">

<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Is there any problem with my GATE simulation?<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Maybe this will be my homework. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">J</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Thank you. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Yohan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-hangul"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"\00b9d1\00c740\00ace0\00b515";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> Simon Stute [mailto:<a href="mailto:gate.stute@gmail.com" target="_blank">gate.stute@gmail.com</a>] <br>

<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> </span><span style="font-size:10pt">주요한</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org" target="_blank">gate-users@lists.opengatecollaboration.org</a><br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gate-users] Why the time difference has asymmetry shape?<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">

<span lang="EN-US">Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">If you plot only the non-random coincidences, I think you will have a symmetric peak.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">The asymmetric flat part of the profile probably comes from the random coincidences.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">

<span lang="EN-US">With Monte Carlo simulations, the particles are tracked one by one. All gammas contributing to an open coincidence window are buffered following their track order.<br><br>So for two gammas coming from the same annihilation, the arrival time of the first tracked particle can be after the second tracked particle and vice-versa.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">But for random coincidences, most of the time, the arrival time of the first gamma will be before the arrival time of the second gamma, which explains the asymmetric profile you get.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">I think that you just have to randomize the order of the two gammas in each coincidence to get a symmetric profile.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>

<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">Regards,<br>Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:49 AM, </span>주요한<span lang="EN-US"> <<a href="mailto:yhjoo@gachon.ac.kr" target="_blank">yhjoo@gachon.ac.kr</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Gate users.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I create a new PET system follows the Gate user manual. (my gate version is 6.2)<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Actually I try to do the simulation with point source, the result image shows a point also. <u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">And sinogram is also good.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">However, the time difference histogram is not common things.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I attached it as image files in this e-mail.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In real system, the random part of time histogram has a symmetry distribution. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">

<span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">However it has asymmetry distribution in the simulation.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Which part makes this?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you know or guess, please let me know. I want to fix it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Here is associated script..<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN-US">/gate/digitizer/Singles/insert timeResolution </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yohan<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">

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